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[sighs]
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[man reading]
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[man 2 reading]
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[man 3 reading]
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[man 4] The thing inside
of me was like...
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The appetite,
it's like a wolf, it's...
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[man 5] Killing.
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The hunger.
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[Dr. Sahni] He'll tell them
what he did to his wife
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if her ex-husband
is present in the room.
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The power and the authority
that that gives Barnes
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is significant.
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He is now going to not only
get to relive the crime and the violence
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that he inflicted on his wife,
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but he's going to get
to see the emotional reaction
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and trauma that it causes
on her ex-husband.
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He's clearly denying
and minimizing,
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and not taking responsibility,
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and doing what a lot
of drug abusers do,
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but also psychopaths
do blame it on something else.
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It's not me,
it's the alcohol.
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And he's kind of doing
the same thing.
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It's of the same script.
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[voice breaking]
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[exhales]
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Barnes is trying to paint this
as a simple lovers' quarrel
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or a marital disagreement
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when, in fact,
there's broken doors,
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there's holes in the walls,
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there's door frames
that have been removed
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by somebody grabbing them
and kicking them in.
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This is not a situation
of two people who had a misunderstanding
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that spun out of control.
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[sobbing]
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He never owns responsibility
for killing her.
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It's a distanced description.
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She kneed him, she thinks.
He pushed her down.
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It was hard, he doesn't know
how it really happened,
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but she went face first.
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If you think of it
like a painting,
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you're getting a very
broad brush stroke
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of something about
the scene, but you can't fill in the detail.
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[Barnes sobs]
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[Barnes seemingly laughs]
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The fact that Barnes
continued to stay in their home
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for two days knowing
there was a dead body in the closet,
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and he took more care
and attention
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to make sure the trash
was taken out,
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dishes were cleaned,
that the home was otherwise orderly,
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really shows a disconnect.
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His feeble attempt
at taking the trash out,
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so that things look normal
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doesn't really compensate
or equate to the loss of human life,
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but in his mind,
they're somehow equal.
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They're equal gestures.
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[voice breaking]
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[Dr. Morgan]
Barnes could be alluding to the fact
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that he knows more
than they know.
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It's clear that he's saying,
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"If you had known about what
I was going to do earlier,
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maybe you could have
done something about it."
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So it's a way of blaming
the ex-husband as well.
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So he still doesn't have
responsibility in his mind for what he did.
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Barnes would have us
believe this was just a domestic dispute,
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but we know that
that's not the case.
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He had killed before.
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This is once again,
Barnes taking control of a situation.
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You see his psychopathic side
really take the lead.
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He is narcissistic,
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he's arrogant,
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and he really understands
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that there's a power
that he has in this situation
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because law enforcement
wants to understand what this cold case was about.
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[Dr. Morgan]
She was Patricia Miller, she was a nurse.
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She lived in a complex
near him.
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It's another reflection
of this complete really indifference
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to personal identity.
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People aren't individuals
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to a man like Barnes.
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They're things,
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and so you can care
enough to kill somebody,
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but they're not really
important to remember
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as individual people.
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[Dr. Raghavan]
There's a lot of sadism.
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He enjoyed humiliating her.
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He enjoyed hurting
her physically.
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He enjoyed frightening her.
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And it was a prolonged
several hours
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before he finally killed her.
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And he killed in a very
personal frightening way
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where she was probably
experiencing her own death.
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So intense rage and a deep
desire of destruction
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of the other person.
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Despite the fact almost
17 years have gone by
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from when he committed
this violent murder,
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and when he's talking about
it during this interview with Insco,
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he remembers things
in a level of detail about taking a bank card,
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putting things in a rucksack,
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where he exited the house,
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whether he left the door
locked or unlocked.
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Barnes has been reliving
this crime in his mind,
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getting a euphoria
or a high off it all of these years.
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[Dr. Sahni] The decision
that Barnes made
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to enter the victim's
apartment nude
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suggests that he had
a clear intent to sexually assault her.
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This is a calculated cold act.
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This is somebody
who doesn't have any attachment to the victim.
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It was about his own
sexual gratification,
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his own power and control,
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and his need to kill.
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[Dr. Morgan]
Burns start talking about how he's set fires before.
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He's set fires
when he's a kid,
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he's burned a bed before.
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This is consistent with
what we know
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in the psychological research
on people with psychopathy,
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is they've often engaged
in other acts of violence
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before they've moved on
to torturing humans or killing humans.
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Part of the control dynamic
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is in planning
the hunt, right?
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Planning the action.
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They've have a fantasy
in their head about how it should proceed and go,
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the stages that the act
will occur in,
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and they mentally rehearse it.
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This is where we see
truly the presentation
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of a psychopathic personality.
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He does not owe
anyone anything,
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and as long as he maintains
control of the interview, he's good to go.
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But the minute where
they start asking him about things he looks bad,
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or somehow diminish
his status,
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and his sense of authority,
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and compromise his ego
and his self-esteem,
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he won't go there.
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So despite claiming that he
would say to Insco,
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"Oh, I'll answer anything,"
he's clearly not willing to.
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He doesn't want to talk
probably about rejection,
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about being humiliated.
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He clearly remembers
what she said 17 years ago,
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and it makes him feel
so small and squeamish
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that he's able to talk
about killing her,
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but he can't talk about
how rejection made him feel
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because it made him
feel like nothing.
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It made him feel so bad.
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And because that moment
is so difficult for him,
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so humiliating,
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he rewrites the story
to say that, "I'm actually protecting her reputation."
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This is another example
of the control,
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and the appearance
of something being perhaps socially appropriate.
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Barnes is almost saying,
"I have a spiritual advisor,
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I'm a spiritual person,
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think of me in this way."
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But he's not.
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We don't see any signs
of contriteness or remorse.
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It still is all about him
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rather than
the victims themselves.
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What you see is yet again,
he's playing games.
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He's manipulating
the situation,
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he's keeping himself relevant,
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he's keeping himself
in a position of power and control,
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and he's also keeping
himself center stage.
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He's telling the police
without coming right out and saying it,
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"You need me.
And when I decide to help you, I will."